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I have a line of thinking on this. Just an idea I had going to possibly explain hauntings. Everyone has an aura. This is part of the energy field generated by the body. This energy is also more than likely what we call our spirit. But could this be a separate part of us from our soul? When we die our soul could cross over. And most of the time our aura/spirit just dissipates and merges with the energy of the universe. But sometimes there could be a strong enough cohesion of the energy which makes up the spirit to hold it together after the soul moves on. And this energy would have a memory of it's creator. Sometimes this energy imprints into an area and becomes what we call a residual haunting. An event replaying over and over like a recording. And sometimes the energy retains a base intelligence. Forming an entity with no real direction. Lost and confused as to what it is. This could explain why entities involved in the average haunting bang, knock, scratch, slam doors, etc. And why entities attach to a person, kind of like a pet does. And also why they are territorial. This could be why EVPs are just fragments of sentences or growls. The main intelligence has moved on. These things want attention, but lack any kind of true ability to communicate.

The rare cases where real intelligence is shown could be situations where the actual soul has remained or returned.

So what are everyone's thoughts on this idea.

 :goodpost: Ah! I hit the wrong button and it posted my message without my comments! Sorry!

 This is a topic I'm gonna have to think on for awhile. But I wanted to bump this up and see what other people think.

Wow, I don't know what to say, I'm going to have to ponder on this too. Has anyone seen Fear Dot Com the movie? With the spirit of the girl and how she wanted to be found, so she could get revenge on her killer and then be in peace? I've heard of people dying of a unnatural death (murder) and haunting the place where they died

But that could just be the emotional baggage that is shed by the soul when it moves on. And the emotional baggage could be the cohesive force which holds the aura/spirit together to form a lost/confused entity. The extra energy from strong emotion may be the extra oomph needed to keep the spirit together after the body dies and the soul moves on. While the body is alive it is constantly generating the energy that makes up the spirit. We are basically machines generating energy through chemical reactions, speaking scientifically.

I know what you mean but I have a little difficulty with an aura or energy having intelligence. If the soul moves on then it is just a form of matter left behind.
I too will have to think on this one but GOOD POSTING Bobby. I just wish I wasn't here at work so I could deal with this now.

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It is my understanding that not all souls move on after passing.

The way I see it, the spirit is to the soul like thought is to the mind, which is what I glean you have also professed to perceive (please correct me if I'm wrong)... death is a traumatic event by any standards, and very often does leave an imprint and/or creates an egregore, if there is enough focus during the process.

So, basically, I think I just said that I agree with you. ;)

That is what I mean. It is not truly intelligent. More like on the level of a dog or cat. Basic intelligence but not capable of much more than that. Hence the knocking and door slamming. Just enough left over to move about, move objects, and latch on to someone like a pet does. But not think like a human.

Mehtare you remind me of Allin with your posts, which is meant as a compliment. And yes we are on the same line of thinking.

I have read about this in one book called, He Came to Set the Captives Free, by Rebecca Brown, M.D ( chapter 14)

Basically it states that we are tripartite beings. This is, we have three seperate parts, the body, the soul and the spirit. It goes on to say that we have a natural body and a spiritual body and our soul controls both of them.  Our spirit has a form or shape, a body corresponding to our physical body. It states that when a person astral projects, they are using there spirit body. ( thats an example that is given of one way that our spirit bodies are used) Furthermore, our spiritual bodies are the link between us and the spirit world because the spirit world cannot be seen or measured with anything physical. It goes on to say alot more, but those are the basics.

It makes some sense to me, I agree with your theory, Bobby, good post!!

I am humbled that you find a resemblance between my contributions and Allin's; his gift of eruditeness is a joy indeed.

Thank you for the compliment. :)

Last night I was trying to think of how this happens but then I realised I really don't know enough on entities and spirits to even comment on this. I get to scientific and I should know better. Things on this level don't really care about science  :'(
So I will just read and learn from the experts  ;D

Go ahead and share your thoughts. What is paranormal now will be normal in the future. You can only add to the knowledge as there are no definite answers. Something you say may spark an epiphany in someone else.

I see the spirit and soul as one. The soul being the immortal being of a person and the spirit is the drive of the soul. I hope that makes sense. So at death the soul/spirit withdraws and continues to function in the spiritual world. Can the spirit separate from the soul to act out the past? And maybe somehow travel through space and perceive and interpret vibrations and waves in the air replaying any positive or negative energies left behind in an area familiar to it?
Yikes I hope I made sense   :eek3

You summed it up perfectly Angela and it makes complete sense. It's how I feel as well.
I think sometimes we need to look beyond science. Sometimes there's just no answer there, it's falls more into the spiritual then science. Atleast for me. Especially when you are talking about souls. So I agree with you 100% on this.

Good answer Angela.

Close your ears Mel. ;) Speaking scientifically, an energy based entity could break off pieces of itself. Leaving a piece in this world and the rest moving on to the next.

LOL this almost sounds like a debate which is far from which I am good at  :lol:

I will post more later I have to go to a meeting  ::)

I never thought of it in that way and unfamilar with that idea. Could you explain the breaking off peices of itself? It's just something I've never thought of or don't think I've heard that theory.

I don't understand either. I'm not sure I get the breaking off part.

First let me apologize to Mel. My post came across disrespectfully to her beliefs. It was unintentional.

Ok this is an idea that struck me reading Angela's and Mel's posts. Energy based entities would not be bound by the same limitations as a human. Theoretically an energy based entity would be able to break off some of it's energy from the whole and leave it. and the piece would retain everything that makes the entity unique. All knowledge and memories. So while the main of the soul moves on, a part of it remains here on Earth with full memories and intelligence. But maybe not enough energy to fully manifest, ie a shadow ghost.

Or the soul retains full control of the piece that is here from where ever the soul goes. And the soul experiences everything the piece that is left behind does. And the soul uses the piece to communicate and interact here on Earth.

My thinking is energy based entities can exist while leaving a part of themselves behind.

Ok, I think I may be following you now. Would this relate to a haunting where something tragic happened in a person's life and they died suddenly and instead of completely moving on, the ghost or entity is left behind doing the same thing over and over? Or no? lol

Yeah you are on the right page. A piece of the energy gets imprinted, or left behind. But it is not like a residual haunting where an event plays over and over like a video loop. But instead is an active, intelligent entity. It could even be a protective mechanism for the soul. The pain and tragedy are left here so that the soul can be at peace. But there is enough of the soul left for the piece to take on a life of it's own. And begins haunting the place it is in.

OK this is making me understand a little more. I can see where you're comming from now.

Ok, so my first post I made wasn't totally far off. I was starting to wonder if it was, then I saw Melissa's post and it is pretty much what I was thinking, except mine involved seeking revenge instead of replaying the same thing over and over.