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« on: July 08, 2008, 07:34:35 PM »

Some friends and I were discussing this and I thought it would make a good topic for discussion here at ADN.
Now this is not the stereotypical Hollywood zombie with rotting flesh, seeking to eat brains. This is a real incident involving real people.

This case happened in Haiti, reported in the early 80s. But the story began in the 60s. In 1962 a Haitian man named Clairvius Narcisse was sold to a zombie master by his family for refusing to sell his share of the family land. Clairvius was soon declared dead and taken control of by his master. But 2 years later the zombie master died and Clairvius wandered the island in a daze, the zombie affect slowly wearing off, until in 1980 he stumbled across his long lost sister in a marketplace. She didn't recognize him. But he knew childhood stories that only he could know and proved his identity.

What actually happens is the witchdoctor drugs the intended victim made from poisonous toad skins and the toxins from the puffer fish. This concoction mimics the conditions of death in the victim. The victim is then buried, only to be dug up by the witchdoctor before the victim actually dies. The witchdoctor then force feeds the victim a paste made from datura(Jimsons weed). Datura breaks the victims link with reality and erases all recent memories making the individual easily controllable. In the case of Clairvius, the affects of the datura slowly wore off as he wandered Haiti until the day he encountered his sister.

The Discovery Channel has a special on this case, including video of Clairvius, which it airs a few times during the year.

Here is the link to a story about the case by Time Magazine.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,952208-1,00.html


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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2008, 07:42:29 PM »

I remember seeing a program on Discovery hosted by Giles from Buffy The Vampire Slayer. I believe it was named True Horror.

This program had a whole show dedicated to zombies in Haiti. (Actually, the crew got kidnapped by angry locals.)

It was quite fascinating to see, and they were talking about similar cases as you mention.

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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2008, 07:44:40 PM »

Has anyone read The Serpent and the Rainbow? It was a book that came out in the 80s and it was written by Wade Davis. He was researching the zombie powder in Haiti for possible use as an anesthetic.

It's a true story, and I found it utterly fascinating.

Please don't confuse it with the horror movie that was made that was based (very, very loosely) on the book.

Wade was a hero of mine in the 80s. lol

http://www.amazon.com/Serpent-Rainbow-Scientists-Astonishing-Societies/dp/0684839296

There were also theories that being buried deprived them of enough oxygen so there was brain damage, which caused the shambling gait and lack of emotion etc. that is associated with the zombie.

I HIGHLY recommend this book.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2008, 07:51:28 PM »

Davis' book was actually supposed to be based around this case.

This is fascinating and terrifying at the same time. It is fascinating from a scientific standpoint. But terrifying that this could happen to anyone.
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2008, 08:13:39 PM »

I remembered the name of the "zombie". That's what brought Davis' book to mind.
You should have known I would know about this one Bobby. Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2008, 09:09:46 PM »

I may have had a feeling.  Popcorn
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2008, 10:30:28 PM »

I hope someone else chimes in on this one. I think it's a fascinating subject, but then...I'm odd. Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 08:40:30 AM »

It is amazing how in some countries this stuff is still legal, even today.

That was an interesting article. What else can you dig up like this Bobby?
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 12:35:17 PM »

This is fascinating and terrifying at the same time. It is fascinating from a scientific standpoint. But terrifying that this could happen to anyone.

I agree. It is rather terrifying. I've seen different documentaries about this and I haven't read the book, but I did sneak into the theater when the movie came out, I was under age.  Grin And it absolutely terrified me that this was really happening to some degree. I've always sworn that no matter what, I will never go to Haiti. Couldn't pay me enough! lol
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2008, 01:35:51 PM »

They really sensationalized things in the movie to make it a better horror movie.
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2008, 02:14:30 PM »

Oh yeah, I know. But I couldn't imagine turning someone into a zombie or it happening to me. That's what freaked me out the most. I think for some it's that having no control over yourself that makes it even more terrifying.
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 02:30:08 PM »

I've always found the subject of VooDoo Zombies interesting.. but then they use the "zombie" for their own bidding right? So what would they use them for exactly?
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 03:05:12 PM »

From what I understand they use them to do things like field work-basically slave labor.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 03:14:26 PM »

Yes, most of them are put to work on plantations. A few who retain their wits, like Clairvious, could be put to work as personal servants. Most go mad while buried alive.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2008, 03:17:44 PM »

It is amazing how in some countries this stuff is still legal, even today.

That was an interesting article. What else can you dig up like this Bobby?
Biology Online has a very detailed report on this case.
http://www.biology-online.org/articles/dead_man_walking.html

Mel it is a scary thing indeed. I wonder how long this dates back in their culture? It's seems to be a common practice.
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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2008, 03:21:43 PM »

  OH MY!
That's very interesting... and cheap! But really that is scary stuff...
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2008, 04:45:57 PM »

Thanks for that link Bobby. Very interesting. Smiley

Yes, it's a horrible thing to do to someone. Imagine being buried alive and aware. *shudders*
No wonder they tend to lose their minds.
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2008, 04:51:26 PM »

My God. I don't think I'll ever go to Haiti either... But I am interested in that movie Grin.

It's interesting that (some of?) today's horror legends seem to be increasingly uncovered to be simple (albeit odd) cases. I mean slave labor. The whole process of the human trade seemed legal for crying out loud.
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