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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2007, 02:59:56 PM »

As a lifelong outsider might I ask if  you actually developed a structure for this subculture?
Nothing without a framework has EVER lasted.
I have seen a lot of the Goth Vampire scene taking root in the Klingon subculture which is not bad but it is different.
With any movement there needs to be some hierarchy to keep the message from being lost or diluted.
Organized religion has this sort of structure perhaps it is time to put your ideals where your concerns lie.
As was said, perhaps YOU ARE THE ONES YOU ARE WAITING FOR.

I know how you feel Melissa about having less patience with people YOU KNOW ARE WRONG!
Frankly there are few forums I frequent, this is one that I do .
But consider that: You know what is wrong, would that not make you well suited to remedy the situation?
Sure there is Porn (it has existed since the prehistoric era it is NOT going away as long as humans have baser instincts) and the gore hounds
who salivate to pictures you might see in Fangoria do muddy the waters.

That is why you may want to consider how you can work a national/international council of serious like minded men and women
who if they cannot eliminate the confusion can actively compartmentalize the nonsense like the Role Playing Game.
You are not playing dress up and neither am I .

We are shaping the world in our own little way inspired by ideals and concepts, in this regard you are not very different from Star Trek fans.
There is a spiritual connection to what we choose to believe in, true spirituality is believing in what YOU want to believe in not what OTHERS want you to believe that is of course religion. Perhaps it is not dying, it may be that no one to this point was inclined to do anything.
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2007, 05:50:54 PM »

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As a lifelong outsider might I ask if  you actually developed a structure for this subculture?

People have tried to developed a "structure" for this subculture, however, when you get down to the bottom line, people are going to do what they want to do. You can't govern the Vampire Community or Gothic Community like a government or make it into some kind of religion. That's the last thing the community needs and it will not work, in my opinion. A lot of times in situations like this someone claims to be the "Voice" or the "Head" of the community, but that ego has a tendency to get in the way or their voice is not how everyone feels in the community. And there have been a lot of power struggles to get where other's are. What it boils down to in my opinion, is ego trips. If we go outside of our own communities and raise our voices and demand things to change, it's going to be looked at by some in the same manner as I said above. That's why I personally believe in starting small and worrying about my own community and aligning myself and affiliating with others that I know feel the same way or don't promote or allow the negativity, hate and sex. Maybe over time, it's not going to happen over night, there will be change.

It's my belief that everything dies out eventually, I hope this is just a phase, what I'm concentrating on here is my own little community and what I like and what I want to bring back into the community and eventually it may catch back on. I've never been a participant in the Gothic or Vampire Community as a whole, I don't go to events, I don't talk with other's that are consider leaders of the community. I never wanted to be a part of it. I just wanted to have my own site where my own morals and ideas are shared with others of like mind, but when all of this ends up knocking on my doors or DE, our sister site, then it does become an issue we have to voice our opinion on and take a stand against allowing the same to happen in our cyber homes.

And BTW, I'm moving this thread since we have a Subculture forum now.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2007, 09:30:34 PM »

Being a newcomer to this particular community, it is quite refreshing to read what everyone has to say.  I must agree with you in that the Vampyre and Gothic Communities have taken a change in recent times.  It saddens me when I go to networking sites to meet more people that share the same interests/views/lifestyles and find things that are not what our communities are about.  I especially am finding people who think that being vampyre is what it is like in the movies.
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2007, 08:06:30 PM »

I am very new to this communtiy, and I am glad that you are respecting the community as it is and was. I find it very sad  about the downfalls of certain communities, and feel the same way you do. I especially find it annoying when I find that some sites claim "myths" to be reality. Such as what Lady Catherine said
I especially am finding people who think that being vampyre is what it is like in the movies.

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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2007, 11:47:32 AM »

My boyfriend and I know a girl that when she was introduced to the Wiccan faith, she thought she could do the things that they show in the movie "The Craft" and in the Harry Potter series.  Also, when she found out some people she knew were vampyre, she wanted to become one.  Now I can say from experience that being vampyre is not exactly fun.  When will people get their heads out of the clouds and realize that some things are impossible and always will be?
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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2007, 01:32:54 PM »

My boyfriend and I know a girl that when she was introduced to the Wiccan faith, she thought she could do the things that they show in the movie "The Craft" and in the Harry Potter series.  Also, when she found out some people she knew were vampyre, she wanted to become one.  Now I can say from experience that being vampyre is not exactly fun.  When will people get their heads out of the clouds and realize that some things are impossible and always will be?
True, I do agree that is way past the line. Some people are so focused on their fantasy that they don't see reality. I do hate having to repeat myself when some of my friends" ask questions" about this. It's so surprising how often (in general) people actually pry, and annoy about the myths (vs reality).

Although I haven't encountered many types of "pryer's"-- annoyingly curious--I still have the few friends that know, and seem interested, but only in the mythological part, not facts.  It still surprises me today, just how much one of my cousins pry at the very idea of it. I find it rude, annoying, and sometimes, vulgar.
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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2007, 05:16:07 PM »

I also agree.  It's not good how we are looked upon because of some people who don't really know what its all about.  Some people live in there own world and because they say they are a vampire or a witch, or gothic, we get the fall.  Its hard to make a change because of this.  When people hear the word vampire,witch, goth, etc... they right away think of the bad things like what they see on tv, on the news and don't know any better.  They label it and its hard to changes people's minds.  I don't hide who I am, but some people do think oh my god she is evil and whatever else they think.  The only thing I can do is try to explain that it is not like it is in the movies and what I believe has nothing to do with hurting people or animals.  And that we are caring and loving people, just like everyone else.  But if you look at it, it takes one person to do something bad a label it and we are all bad people.  People are scared of what they don't know and what they don't understand.
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2007, 01:26:36 PM »

I understand completely where you guys are coming from with the fantasy stuff. There's so many terrible sites out there specifically dealing with vampyrism.
I've gotten so frustrated with what I've seen and then when people have been subjected to that information and they come here and they try to spew that same fantasy BS here, I get really frustrated and a lot of times, you can't tell them the truth because they just won't accept it. I've never understood why someone would want to be something they are not.  My article: For the Seeker was written after I had done a search for other Vampyre sites out there and I came across one in particular that was really frightening. The other thing I don't understand is that there's  good websites with great information that are linking to other websites that are more or less fantastical crap. I don't understand how you can justify linking to information that is so incredibly incorrect!
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2007, 10:43:09 PM »

I also feel a little steam of anger come from within when I think about the way vampires are misrepresented by certain sites. However,I look around and see the wonderful sites that are around and I think that overall, there is a wonderful growth in the vampire communities and that with time and a growing population of real vampires emerging that in time the vampiric communities will be able to triumph over the negative aspects with intellect and a well rounded continued presence. I think that even if there are semi remission periods of subculture that there are evolutionary growth periods on the way. Wink
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