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« on: September 10, 2007, 08:32:51 PM »

Throughout the Vampire Community you will notice that some people use the term Mundane .
I've always had an issue with this term being used. Why can't someone just be called non-vampiric? 
It is my opinion that no one is truly mundane. One of the definitions of mundane is common; ordinary; banal; unimaginative.
A lot of people I have found do not like this term either. They find it very derogatory. When I think of the term "Mundane" I think of things like this: doing dishes every day, is mundane.  Or doing laundry is mundane. But people being mundane, never. All of us have something that makes us special or different than everyone else out there.  Donors are definitely not mundane, if it wasn't for donors, many vampires would become quite ill. Donors or very important to vampires, so I really don't see the reason to call them such a derogatory term. And those who are not vampiric, are they any less special? What about the occult/witchcraft community? They work with energy, are they mundane as well? In my opinion no. Even someone who is not aware of energy, in my opinion is definitely not Mundane. We all have some kind of imagination and according to one definition of mundane, it means unimaginative. So why use the term to describe another human being?

What's your opinion on the term Mundane and it's use in the Vampire Community?
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2007, 09:05:11 PM »

I agree with you Mel. I think the use of it comes from Vampires not wanting to associate with movie stereotypes. But still feeling they are more than an average person. People are unique. The term vampire is used because it was the best fit for the condition when someone decided the condition needed a title. And I only use the word condition as a way to show there is something different going on with that group of people. There is nothing wrong with wanting to feel special or different as long as it is not done so by putting others down.
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2007, 09:11:34 PM »

I personally, hate the term mundane as well.  I am not a vampire, and I am nothing near mundane.  I agree with you, Mel, that no one is mundane.  I find the term highly derogatory and unnecessary.  My boyfriend is a vampire and I am not, and in a lot of cases, he's more "mundane" than I am.  Lol.  Anyways, I'm glad ADN and DE doesn't really allow the use of the word "mundane", and I stay away from sites which do.

I also agree with bobby, that its just a way for vampires to feel like they're on a higher level than everyone else.  It makes one feel special to be better than those "mundanes".
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2007, 09:19:16 PM »

To me in a way it is like a homosexual person calling a straight person a mundane because he/she is not homosexual. And I have no problem with people who live that lifestyle. Two of my closest friends are a lesbian couple. I just used it as an example to show what I am trying to say.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2007, 09:25:13 PM »

People get way too caught up in the romanticism of the classical/fictional vampire, and don't realize the actual condition for what it is it seems.  They just try to elevate themselves above others, which is completely ridiculous and self delusional. Those people are the ones who really bother me.
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2007, 02:33:27 AM »

I dislike the word as well. It seems  to me that it looks down on nonvampires. I feel the same way about the word "donor" but haven't found another word to replace it yet.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2007, 03:14:36 AM »

The online dictionary definition of the word mundane is
1.  Of, relating to, or typical of this world; secular.
2. Relating to, characteristic of, or concerned with commonplaces; ordinary.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mundane

I think it can be used to describe humans or non vampiric/non otherkin beings. It's really just a matter of preference. But when I use it , generally I would be speaking in the manner of the above written text.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2007, 03:51:38 AM »

In this setting the word mundane is used in a more insulting manner. Mainly meaning plain or ordinary. Everyone is special. and having vampiric traits alone does not necessarily make someone special.
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2007, 05:27:21 AM »

In this setting the word mundane is used in a more insulting manner. Mainly meaning plain or ordinary. Everyone is special. and having vampiric traits alone does not necessarily make someone special.

True. I think that some use it as a way of trying to distinguish those that are spiritually inclined and those that are not. But that's not what the definition of the word is...
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2007, 09:07:54 AM »

I absolutley agree with yall. I definitley don't think that there should be a title like that for anyone. Good post, Melissa. Wink
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2007, 01:22:43 PM »

Actually LAdyD the definition you posted shows mundane to mean ordinary. And unfortunately it used in a derogatory manor towards people. And not so much spiritually inclined, but just vampire vs. non vampire. I understand people have a need to distinguish themselves. But people should look deep inside themselves and see what truly makes them special.
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2007, 02:34:59 PM »

I think I may need to reiterate here and I'm quoting here so I can respond and make it very clear.

The online dictionary definition of the word mundane is
1.  Of, relating to, or typical of this world; secular.
2. Relating to, characteristic of, or concerned with commonplaces; ordinary.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mundane

I think it can be used to describe humans or non vampiric/non otherkin beings. It's really just a matter of preference. But when I use it , generally I would be speaking in the manner of the above written text.

First of all, we are all human. I don't care, vampire, witch, some form of otherkin (Which we do not discuss here), doesn't matter, we are all human! It's not really a matter of preference on this site, the reason I wrote up this topic is to let others know we don't appreciate the word, we don't like the word here and we do not use it on this site. I know there are sites out there that use it, but in my opinion it's very rude, it's derogatory and has no place. When terms like this is used, it doesn't further acceptance and understanding. It does the opposite, it separates people. If we are to grow and understand and accept each other and gain any knowledge of each other, we can't just toss around words like "Mundane". That's not what I'm trying to do here. It's about allowing people to share their experiences, share their knowledge, gain understanding and acceptance, and get past the mentality of it's "Us" against "Them".

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In this setting the word mundane is used in a more insulting manner. Mainly meaning plain or ordinary. Everyone is special. and having vampiric traits alone does not necessarily make someone special.


Quote from LadyDragon: True. I think that some use it as a way of trying to distinguish those that are spiritually inclined and those that are not. But that's not what the definition of the word is...

Actually no, it's not the wrong definition of the term. It's just another definition. And as humans, we all are spiritually inclined. We may at times lose some of that spirituality or lose our way, but as humans, we all have a spiritual connection of some kind, we all have a soul.
I find that people that have a tendency to use such words are insecure of themselves and are trying to make themselves look superior to others, they need some kind of recognition that they are not the same as others. Being a vampire, doesn't make one superior over others, it just makes them different. Plain and simple.

I think Bobby summed it up best when he said:
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people should look deep inside themselves and see what truly makes them special.
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2007, 02:38:30 PM »

I do find the word to be most often used in a pejorative manner.  This is why I have a dislike of it.
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2007, 02:41:27 PM »

I have to agree.  It is part of why I do not use the term "omnivore" when I describe those who are not vegetarians (I am new to the lifestyle, but still).  While it is scientifically correct, I find non-vegetarian more respectful and less segregating.  I have also heard people use the term "flesh eater", and I find that far worst than calling someone a "meat eater."  I do not want others to feel like I am sticking my nose in the air with them, nor to come across as abrasive to them.  To me, it is no different from an elf in a fantasy world calling a human an "ape."

When approaching those who are of an Abrahamic faith, I do not try to use slang.  I do not call a Christian a Xian.  I do not call a Muslim a "raghead."  When a religious fanatic bashes my lifestyle, it makes me no better to call them a term that often comes across as condescending.  None of it promotes inclusion.  I myself am getting weary of the "Us vs. Them" mentality, as well.  It only promotes hatred and degradation of a community.

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2007, 02:46:11 PM »

I completely agree.
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