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« on: January 16, 2008, 04:46:09 PM »

I have a line of thinking on this. Just an idea I had going to possibly explain hauntings. Everyone has an aura. This is part of the energy field generated by the body. This energy is also more than likely what we call our spirit. But could this be a separate part of us from our soul? When we die our soul could cross over. And most of the time our aura/spirit just dissipates and merges with the energy of the universe. But sometimes there could be a strong enough cohesion of the energy which makes up the spirit to hold it together after the soul moves on. And this energy would have a memory of it's creator. Sometimes this energy imprints into an area and becomes what we call a residual haunting. An event replaying over and over like a recording. And sometimes the energy retains a base intelligence. Forming an entity with no real direction. Lost and confused as to what it is. This could explain why entities involved in the average haunting bang, knock, scratch, slam doors, etc. And why entities attach to a person, kind of like a pet does. And also why they are territorial. This could be why EVPs are just fragments of sentences or growls. The main intelligence has moved on. These things want attention, but lack any kind of true ability to communicate.

The rare cases where real intelligence is shown could be situations where the actual soul has remained or returned.

So what are everyone's thoughts on this idea.
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2008, 05:06:12 PM »

 Good Posting! Ah! I hit the wrong button and it posted my message without my comments! Sorry!

 This is a topic I'm gonna have to think on for awhile. But I wanted to bump this up and see what other people think.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2008, 05:42:41 PM »

Wow, I don't know what to say, I'm going to have to ponder on this too. Has anyone seen Fear Dot Com the movie? With the spirit of the girl and how she wanted to be found, so she could get revenge on her killer and then be in peace? I've heard of people dying of a unnatural death (murder) and haunting the place where they died
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2008, 05:50:03 PM »

But that could just be the emotional baggage that is shed by the soul when it moves on. And the emotional baggage could be the cohesive force which holds the aura/spirit together to form a lost/confused entity. The extra energy from strong emotion may be the extra oomph needed to keep the spirit together after the body dies and the soul moves on. While the body is alive it is constantly generating the energy that makes up the spirit. We are basically machines generating energy through chemical reactions, speaking scientifically.
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2008, 05:54:42 PM »

I know what you mean but I have a little difficulty with an aura or energy having intelligence. If the soul moves on then it is just a form of matter left behind.
I too will have to think on this one but GOOD POSTING Bobby. I just wish I wasn't here at work so I could deal with this now.

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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2008, 06:05:10 PM »

I have a line of thinking on this. Just an idea I had going to possibly explain hauntings. Everyone has an aura. This is part of the energy field generated by the body. This energy is also more than likely what we call our spirit. But could this be a separate part of us from our soul? When we die our soul could cross over. And most of the time our aura/spirit just dissipates and merges with the energy of the universe. But sometimes there could be a strong enough cohesion of the energy which makes up the spirit to hold it together after the soul moves on. And this energy would have a memory of it's creator. Sometimes this energy imprints into an area and becomes what we call a residual haunting. An event replaying over and over like a recording. And sometimes the energy retains a base intelligence. Forming an entity with no real direction. Lost and confused as to what it is. This could explain why entities involved in the average haunting bang, knock, scratch, slam doors, etc. And why entities attach to a person, kind of like a pet does. And also why they are territorial. This could be why EVPs are just fragments of sentences or growls. The main intelligence has moved on. These things want attention, but lack any kind of true ability to communicate.

The rare cases where real intelligence is shown could be situations where the actual soul has remained or returned.

So what are everyone's thoughts on this idea.

It is my understanding that not all souls move on after passing.

The way I see it, the spirit is to the soul like thought is to the mind, which is what I glean you have also professed to perceive (please correct me if I'm wrong)... death is a traumatic event by any standards, and very often does leave an imprint and/or creates an egregore, if there is enough focus during the process.

So, basically, I think I just said that I agree with you. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2008, 06:17:59 PM »

I know what you mean but I have a little difficulty with an aura or energy having intelligence. If the soul moves on then it is just a form of matter left behind.

That is what I mean. It is not truly intelligent. More like on the level of a dog or cat. Basic intelligence but not capable of much more than that. Hence the knocking and door slamming. Just enough left over to move about, move objects, and latch on to someone like a pet does. But not think like a human.
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2008, 06:19:56 PM »

Mehtare you remind me of Allin with your posts, which is meant as a compliment. And yes we are on the same line of thinking.
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2008, 10:53:18 PM »

I have read about this in one book called, He Came to Set the Captives Free, by Rebecca Brown, M.D ( chapter 14)

Basically it states that we are tripartite beings. This is, we have three seperate parts, the body, the soul and the spirit. It goes on to say that we have a natural body and a spiritual body and our soul controls both of them.  Our spirit has a form or shape, a body corresponding to our physical body. It states that when a person astral projects, they are using there spirit body. ( thats an example that is given of one way that our spirit bodies are used) Furthermore, our spiritual bodies are the link between us and the spirit world because the spirit world cannot be seen or measured with anything physical. It goes on to say alot more, but those are the basics.

It makes some sense to me, I agree with your theory, Bobby, good post!!
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2008, 12:48:04 AM »

Mehtare you remind me of Allin with your posts, which is meant as a compliment. And yes we are on the same line of thinking.

I am humbled that you find a resemblance between my contributions and Allin's; his gift of eruditeness is a joy indeed.

Thank you for the compliment. Smiley
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