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« on: February 22, 2008, 12:37:24 PM »

Another animal makes it off the endangered species list, but for how long?

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/02/22/gray-wolf-return.html
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2008, 12:42:08 PM »

I suspect not for long. Especially with hunters shooting from helicopters.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2008, 02:47:07 PM »

I suspect not for long. Especially with hunters shooting from helicopters.

No offense, but I don't know of any hunters with enough money to afford a helicopter and I suspect the great majority can't.  As long as they're still protected then hunting shouldn't be allowed, poaching will happen anyways though.
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2008, 04:24:31 PM »

In some ways I find the whole endangered species list phenomena quite amusing. If you, like me, believe that global warming is indeed occurring, then there are many more species that are endangered than the ones on a list. (As in all of them.)

Considering what the former range and population of many species must have been hundreds of years ago, I personally see no reason to remove their protected status. My opinion.
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2008, 06:39:19 PM »

Here's my take on it. There's been many animals who have been (and still are) on the endangered species list long before anyone heard or knew what the term "Global Warming" meant. And poaching has been around for a very long time! Which is why a lot of these animals are on the endangered species list to begin with.  People are also moving out of the cities and taking natural land away from the animals who live there. Which means, we have animals such as cougars and deer running around in our backyards when we never had them before.
I'm very thankful though that the gray wolf has been taken off the list. I hope it stays that way.
They are such beautiful animals and for anyone to pull a rifle on them just sickens me.


I suspect not for long. Especially with hunters shooting from helicopters.

Cait, there are many types of hunting excursions that if the person is willing to pay enough, they will take them up in a helicopter and let them "hunt". Depending of course on what they are "hunting".
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2008, 06:49:59 PM »



Cait, there are many types of hunting excursions that if the person is willing to pay enough, they will take them up in a helicopter and let them "hunt". Depending of course on what they are "hunting".


I know that..I said not many would hunt from a helicopter.   Last I heard its illegal to do that, but poaching will always occur regardless.  Thats all I meant. 

Personally, the last thing I want is for wolves to be hunted, but if they're protected (last I understood) they can't be hunted.  It feels like a step down for me (protection wise), but I guess its good that their numbers are officially large enough to not be considered endangered.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2008, 08:03:38 PM »

Responsible hunters won't do that. I know many hunters who would never ever think of hunting from a helicopter, but there have been reports of it.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2008, 08:05:04 PM »

I haven't heard any, but I'm naturally quite oblivious to what goes on around me and I don't doubt that that occurs sometimes.  I just hope their numbers aren't affected that much after this.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2008, 08:09:02 AM »

"Hunting" from helicopters doesn't scare me as much as those that still persist in placing "bounties" on wolf and coyote heads. Those near Kansas and Texas can help me out on this one. When we lived in Kansas in the early 90's, they were giving $100 dollars for every coyote or wolf brought in. They "said" it was because of the damages done to livestock.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I have never seen a coyote that could bring down a full grown cow. And most of the calves raised in Kansas are auctioned off for veal. They never leave the chute they are born in.

As for the wolves. The only ones left are in the northern corner of Kansas, well away from the agricultural districts. Even Arkansas isn't as hard on the few coyotes and wolves that remain there. And I have talked to many chicken farmers there who say that they lose more to wild dogs people drop off than to native wolves or coyotes.

The wolf has been maligned in history for generations, and while I am very glad that their numbers have increased enough to take them off the list. I really think it is just going to give those who will always fear our "Furry Friends" a reason to poach even more.



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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2008, 08:29:14 AM »

Years ago they "seeded" Isle Royale (in Michigan) with wolves hoping to help them make a comeback.  Within a year they were gone. All of them
They did it again and that time  they fared better. They now have a fairly good sized group on the island.

Some people are king of freaking out because they have begun crossing the ice in the winter to get to the lower peninsula to expand their territory.

The old fears still exist unfortunately. I just hope that people are becoming more educated and aware of the true nature of the animals.

As far as coyotes go, we are having a problem with them moving into the cities and suburbs because their natural habitat is disappearing. They captured one in downtown Detroit not to long ago. They are living on garbage, rats and strays.

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